Posts by Nathan Natas

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Can we excuse the R&F for ever ?

by Phizzy in

generally i go along with it when posters express pity and sympathy for the r&f jw's.

i feel this way toward them too, to a degree.. but where do we draw the line ?

we know that jw's do not have a conscience of their own really, they are told how to think and act, and they have to obey.. just as those living in nazi germany were told how to think and act, and had to obey.. but, " i was just following orders " was not taken as a valid defense at nuremburg.. as the wt descends in to becoming more and more like north korea in its do not question, simply obey !

Nathan Natas

I feel it is important to bear in mind that the WTB&TS membership is not fixed, it is fluid. The Borg as a whole may grow, but each year thousands of people leave for many reasons. Some kill themselves, some go insane and require institutionalization, and some walk away to follow their bliss.

I'm not saying there are not a LOT of "old-timers." but that is more because of psychological inertia than deep conviction. People are loathe to admit when they've made a bad decision. If they realize they are going to die without having a chance to waltz thru the Great Tribulation and Armageddon into "THE NEW WORLD" they might feel they have nothing to lose by sticking around and going through the motions, the way I believe the majority of people of all religions do.

(I feel that most people are CLOSET ATHEISTS, which is exactly what "having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power" means. I mean, how many people say, "Yes I believe that there is a God, and that he wants me to behave as though he did not exist"?)

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Retirement complex for older JW's to be built

by moomanchu in

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this is literally almost in my backyard.. they are using a local contractor, not jw volunteers.. http://www.mcall.com/business/mc-jehova-witness-retirement-home-20140205,0,2445692.story.

21 f. thursday, feb. 6, 20146:49 am est .

retirement complex for jehovah's witnesses in salisbury townshipnine-month project to employ workers from 20 trades.

Nathan Natas

How much of their personal net worth does an interested Dub need to contribute to get a spot in one of these hostiles? (Pun intended)

What happens if a Dub gets in and later is expelled from TCCoJW? Do they get their "contribution" back?

NOTE: TCCoW=The Christian Congregation of ehovah's Witnesses

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...What do you Do,when People Ask You for Spare Change?...

by OUTLAW in

.. .........................some people are truly in need..some are not... a man passing by on his 10 speed bike,asked me for $2.00 for a cup of coffee... .................................................."uhhh,no"... ............another asked me for spare change outside a super market... ......................................i said i didn`t have any... ...................so he say`s "how about a credit card?!"......lol!!...

.. ....................what do you do,when people ask you for spare change?...

..... .. ..........................................whats the most outrageous thing... ......................................you`ve been asked forby a stranger?...

Nathan Natas

I'm in Seattle. Several years ago I was walking along "the ave" near the campus of the UW. There was a time when this street was filled with young scholars in pursuit of an education but today the scholars hide in their dorms to avoid the street punks, drug dealers, prostitutes and skateboarders who have NO future. But I digress... I was on the west side of the ave near North 44th - by the Post Office - when one of the resident bums stretches out his arn and jiggles a cup of coins in front of me.

Without breaking my stride, I said "No thanks, I have plenty." That torqued the bum's jaws a bit.

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NEED Help before Monday

by Crazyguy in

i noticed in a thread a day or 2 ago that someone mentioned a wt dated back in 1981 i believe where it stated that the policy of the jw's were that if anyone even thought a doubt about the jw's that they were infact apostates!!!

i downloaded the article in the 1980 8/1 pp17-22 and that was not the article.

can't find the thread, help anyone please!!!!!

Nathan Natas

"Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part."

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Growing a beard!!

by ILoveTTATT in

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i am doing one of my dreams for a while: growing a beard.

it may not seem like much, but it's quite the experience for me.

it's probably a rite of passage from jw to exjw lol.. besides the itchyness, i hate it that it curls so much (i have hairs that naturally start to curl after a certain length).. anyone here have tips on taking care of a beard?

Nathan Natas

Instead of vegetable oil, I would go with light weight mineral oil (odorless baby oil). Mineral oil cannot go rancid or oxidize (at room temp.) like vegetable oils can.

Did you know that baby oil contains NO baby extract? That's false advertising!

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Are some dog breeds more responsive than others?

by compound complex in

woof!.

i care for numerous canines and wonder about your experiences with man's best friend.. some appear ready and able to do as asked and others, well, just sort of stare .

and stare.

Nathan Natas

I think it is a case of both NATURE and NURTURE.

Some breeds are demonstrably more intelligent than others (Aussie Sheepdogs). I have also known of some dogs that had passively abusive puppyhoods (lack of contact with dogs or humans) that demonstrated failure to thrive syndrome - they weren't too sharp and were difficult to train - not BAD dogs, but not smart either.

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Growing a beard!!

by ILoveTTATT in

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i am doing one of my dreams for a while: growing a beard.

it may not seem like much, but it's quite the experience for me.

it's probably a rite of passage from jw to exjw lol.. besides the itchyness, i hate it that it curls so much (i have hairs that naturally start to curl after a certain length).. anyone here have tips on taking care of a beard?

Nathan Natas

I've had a beard for most of the almost 40 years since I got out of the 'Tower.

The itchyness when it is just coming in is a result of three factors:

1. The hairs are relatively short and this means they can't flex as much as longer hairs.

2. The ends of the hairs are cut square because of your recently-stopped shaving.

3. Your skin isn't used to dealing with with the sharp edges of the growing hairs.

A shampoo with jojoba (not jejojobah - yuk yuk yuk!) oil in it will make the hair feel softer. I've used Bumble and Bumble Alojoba shampoo in the past. To be honest I don't use it regularly because once the beard is a month old it will be pretty soft. Using a conditioning rinse might also help.

One thing that I really feel is most helpful - even though this will sound weird - is to get a bar (not the liquid form) of LAVA brand hand soap and really work the bar over the beard to work up a big "mad dog" lather. LAVA hand soap contains fine pumice powder, which is abrasive enough to wear the edges of the beard hairs while your face enjoys a super-rich, smooth lather. When the cut edges of the hairs is worn a bit the hair won't itch as much. I am a BIG fan of LAVA hand soap for cleaning more than dirty, greasy hands.

(A famous internet retailer sells bars LAVA hand soap and the Alojoba shampoo.)

I'm not kidding! You can probably get it in supermarkets or hardware stores. Try a bar - if you don't like it on your beard you will be able to use it for dirty or greasy hands.

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4000 year old cuneiform tablet says Ark was "round".

by designs in

a cuneiform tablet from around 1750bce describes a noah type named atra-hasis building a 2/3rds stadium size round ark to save humans and animals from the gods wrath.

one of the gods, enki, informs atra of the other gods plans along with how-to instructions.. www.haaretz.com under archeology.. why couldn't we have had a god named enki, is that cool or what.... .

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Nathan Natas

Designs commented, "Why couldn't we have had a god named Enki, is that cool or what..."

You CAN have a God named Enki.

Simply call to him in the stillness of your heart, and if you are sincere he will answer you.

Many times we make things more complicated than they need to be.

Ask.

Seek.

Knock.

Enki is at the threshold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98OYK5P3OGI

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A not so loving phone call....

by new hope and happiness in

i recently got a letter in my pillar box asking me to attend a meeting at the k.h.

i ignored the " kind" request.. this was folloed up by a " loving" phone call with the question " do i believe in the organisation" my reply.

" anyway what pissed me off was during the " loving" phone call i realized there was another " brother" listning in.

Nathan Natas

Next time, have some fun with the loving 'dubs. Ask if someone else is listening in on another line.

If they deny it, you can go into a "revival preacher" voice and say, "BY THE POWER of JAY-sus, I command you to answer truthfully!"

Or you could say, "You must be having some trouble with your telephone line; the wye-meter I have recording this conversation shows that someone is listening in."

There is no such thing as a wye-meter that records phone calls, but your average window-washing elder won't know that. You might scare the squirt out of him.

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Someone I know wants to go back to the meetings

by StephaneLaliberte in

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i am presently fadding out and a person that i know sent me an email telling me he was going back to his meeting.

how can i let him know that i think he probably will be better outside if he keeps trying without running the risk that he goes back and forward the email to a local elder?.

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Nathan Natas

Good luck on your fad.